保持希望和樂觀：我與荷蘭記者的通話 Keep Hope and Be Optimistic: A Conversation with A Dutch Journalist

對剛一窺中共之邪惡的人來說，中共貌似不可戰勝，但我鼓勵對方，正義最終會勝利。

Those who just have a glimpse of the evilness of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) feel it unbeatable. But I encourage them that good will prevail.

下午與一位荷蘭記者長談了近兩小時。他們的媒體開始關注中共，其中一個議題是孔子學院，所以對我進行一個採訪。

荷蘭兩年前關了一個孔子學院，目前還有兩個。這位記者告訴我，荷蘭的孔子學院是當地市政府牽頭辦的，合約裏除了通常的漢辦、中國大學、外國大學這三方，居然還有荷蘭當地市政府、以及一家投資公司。政府與企業以正式身分加入孔子學院的合作，這的確比較少見。僅由這一點也可見，這個孔子學院絕不單純只是教育機構。

對荷蘭方來說，市府與商業介入，顯然是希望藉孔子學院打通另一個與中國政府的關係，好獲得更多去中國市場賺錢的機會、及吸引中國資金來荷蘭投資，中國金錢對凋敝的歐洲，尤其是荷蘭這樣的小國，具有相當的誘惑。

對中方來說，本來在外國校園內設立孔子學院的用意就是要影響外國校園，然後以外國校園為基地輻射當地社會各個領域和階層。現在外國政府與企業也參與到孔子學院的辦學，求之不得！

我跟荷蘭記者分享了我過去在中國大學工作的經歷，中國的高校如何是中共統一思想的重要陣地，幫助她理解中共如何控制中國人的思想和言行，理解中共的行為方式；以及分析我這幾年研究孔子學院、在世界各地的所見所聞，中方如何利於孔子學院輸出洗腦宣傳和壓制言論自由、甚至進行間諜活動；而外方如何因為孔子學院而甘願犧牲自由、人權等普世價值。

我們還談了中共活摘器官、對法輪功的迫害、對維吾爾人的虐待等。

最後，記者問我還有什麼要補充。我說：“希望西方自由世界能夠攜手對抗中共，否則中共就會控制世界，我們就會處於黑暗中。”

她問我：“妳認為能實現嗎？”

我說：“最終一定能實現，可能過程中不會那麼順利，尤其是現在拜登入主白宮了，可能中共會暫時佔上風，但最終我們會勝利。”

她說：“妳真樂觀，我們才開始研究中共，我們的確很悲觀。”

我鼓勵她說：“我們中國人有句老話，邪不勝正，正義最終一定會戰勝邪惡。妳和妳的媒體做的事情非常非常重要。讓我們每個人都盡自己的一點努力，幫助人們認識到中共的邪惡。”

I had a nearly two-hour long interview with a Dutch journalist. The media she works with started to look into a few topics on China, and one of them is the Confucius Institute.

After one closure in 2019, the Netherlands now has two Confucius Institutes. The journalist told me that the Dutch CIs were initially pursued by the local government. So the Dutch municipal government and an investment firm are also signatories of the CI agreement. It is indeed a rare arrangement for most CIs are partnership among the Chinese government, a Chinese university and a foreign university/school. The Dutch CIs have proven that the Confucius Institutes are not just an educational institution.

Basically, the Confucius institutes served as a bridge between foreign countries and the Chinese government. They help the foreign countries to get more opportunity of making money in China as well as bringing Chinese money into their own society.

For the Chinese government, the involvement of the local governments and business sector enhanced the ability of the CIs to influence local society which is exactly one of the aims of the CI initiative.

I shared with the Dutch journalist my past experience of working in Chinese universities, so that she could understand how the CCP control the thoughts, speech, and behaviours of the Chinese people. I also shared my firsthand experiences with CIs worldwide: how the CCP uses CIs to export CCP propaganda, suffocate free speech, breach human rights codes, and even conduct espionage activities, and how foreign countries are willing to sacrifice universal values in exchange for CIs.

We also talked about the CCP’s live organ harvesting, the persecution of Falun Gong, and the mistreatment of Uyghurs.

Before we end the conversation, she asked me if I had anything to add. I said, “I hope the Western free world will join hands to confront the CCP, otherwise the CCP will win and the world will be in the dark.”

She asked me, “Do you think that will happen?”

I said, “Eventually it will happen, but maybe temporarily the CCP is in the upper hand, especially now that Biden is in the White House, but eventually we will win.”

She said, “You’re very optimistic. We’re just starting our study. We’re really pessimistic.”

I encouraged her, “You know in China we say, ‘Good will win over evil.’ What you and your media are doing is very, very important. Let’s all do our part to educate people about the danger of the Chinese Communist Party.”